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WillPower
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« on: March 11, 2010, 06:07:15 pm »

Hi guys,

Thanks to the Innergold education I've been finding myself over the last couple of months being a lot less affected by the pull of porn. Actually my craving for it has considerably diminished which is a great. I've also been following the stories of ex-pornstars who have valiantly fought to break free of the vicious clutches of the porn world. This provided me with incredible insights into how damaging porn is not only for the viewer, but even more so for the performers. I find now that even whilst attempting to view porn I find myself getting sad as I think how unhappy these poor girls are and despite their attempts at smiling I can see the pain and sadness in their faces. It is in itself a huge deterrent and has caused me to switch off at points in the viewing where I previously would have been totally hooked. It makes me feel good to that I am breaking free of the mindset where I'm only viewing these girls as objects rather than the human beings with thoughts, feelings, worries and very real lives of their own. So this is a real positive thing.

However, it's not quite enough and I'd like some feedback. I just wanted to ask your help with regard to a cyclical pattern I'm noticing with me. Normally the very high-guilt state I experience after having been caught up in viewing porn provides the strongest drive to not to want to view it again. I find myself absolutely repulsed by porn and everything about it sickens me. Of course I know this is part of the unhealthy cycle addicts experience. However I find after a certain period of being sober and even with less cravings, I find myself not as repulsed by it, not as threatened, not as cognizant that it is a threat. It's almost like I don't really view porn as a big deal anymore and that makes me start to toy with the idea of viewing it, even when I don’t really feel so sexually charged. And that causes me to start viewing it again, just because it would be fun and I’m feeling that it’s really no big deal anyway. So I swim out to deeper waters and once again I find myself getting caught up in riptide of porn. It feels like I’ve been guarding the front door so well that it ends up sneaking in the back door. Whatever simile you wish to use, it really bothers me that I can’t maintain those most extreme feelings of revulsion that seem to come so naturally when I am in a state of regret. I mean logically I hate porn all the time and know its damaging whether I’ve just viewed it or not, but I start losing that sensitivity once it’s pinch starts to wear off. So what can I do to maintain that feeling of detestation that helps me reject it from the very first trigger? I still haven’t found a handle on that issue. Maybe I’ve missed something. Any thoughts?
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« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2010, 02:58:27 am »

You can try to use the InnerGold's 10 commandmenrs list if you're feeling like doing it for fun.

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« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2010, 09:30:09 am »

Willpower,

Great post! That is the purpose of this forum is to express concerns and help tips that you may need.

Swimming to deeper waters is a good analogy because the further we swim out the deeper it can go and the more dangerous. I have a couple of suggestions/recommendations. First is to emotionally make a check list. On the InnerGold site there is a free download called, "Name Your Emotions." (http://www.innergold.com/pdf/igc%20nameEmotions.pdf)

This download has helped many because it causes an individual to say, "Why do I want to view porn? What are my feelings about this? Will it help me progress in my goals?" These questions and recognizing your feelings will help you to engage the prefrontal cortex and give you some more rational thinking. Porn is alluring but very dangerous and destructive. Once you start to recognize the dangers your cognitive, rational thinking is engaged.

Another thing is to make sure you are completing your daily planning sheets (http://www.innergold.com/pdf/InnerGold_Daily_Planning_Sheets.pdf). These are crucial in long-term sobriety.

"IT" (the limbic system) wants you to go back to your old ways but, "YOU" do not! You recognize the dangers and destructive nature. Keep strong. I know there will be others that post but that is my two cents.
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« Reply #3 on: March 15, 2010, 03:21:20 pm »

Willpower...I am going to respond in a way that may shock you a bit.  If you are confused at all, please ask for clarification.  Looking for ways to "detest" the porn will not work long-term.  Your cycle is one where "the fight" is at the forefront.  If you have read the Innergold Manual you know what I mean by "the fight."  You slip, feel guilty, than start to fight the pornography and strong-arm it as far away as you can....than slowly the cycle creeps back in.  The addicted brain has become trained to need the porn or substance as a survival mechanism. Porn becomes part of the limbic system just like air, water, etc...  It becomes a cyclical and trained part of survival.  It is like trying to tell your brain to detest water or food. Sexuality is tied directly to the same limbic region of the brain as the need for food and water.  You are going to have to look at things completely different for long-term sobriety.

"Fighting" something that is part of survival is futile. "IT" will always manipulate, justify, and sneak its way back in if you "fight it."  The fact is that we are created to desire sex and intimacy, an inherent and natural part of life. The naked body is very attractive and desirable...that is a fact and frankly it is a good thing.  This desire is what drives mankind to create and continue life.  Porn skews this natural desire into cyclical destructive pattern that can never be satisfied. One time is too many...a thousand times never enough (Innergold manual quote.) Although skewed, Porn is very tantalizing and desirable, it just never satisfies and leads to negative consequence over time.  Fighting this fact is what creates the cycle and threatens your survival mechanism.  I am NOT saying to just give in Smiley

This is where surrender comes into play. Usually after indulging, the addict does something like this "Porn is so bad, i feel so guilty, I can not look at it. Awful, bad...how can I look at something so terrible? I am so bad for looking at this."  This response is what leads to the shame and guilt cycle which threatens our survival tenancies and creates us to cycle again and again.

Instead of the shame and guilt cycle the attitude must change to something like "OK...I feel the urge to look at porn. That would be nice and yes it would feel good for a while. But "IT" will not satisfy long-term although it would be nice initially."  
Or when you see something that triggers you and gets that fire starting to burn you say, "Ahhhh there "IT" is again. That is my limbic system. Giving into that temptation may be nice but "IT" will not lead anywhere good. Thank you "IT" for reminding me."

In other words, stop fighting and start practicing the language of surrender.  Pick yourself up quickly and do not guilt or shame yourself. I am not saying to justify but do not guilt and shame.  This negative pattern always leads back to porn.

Do the "DAILIES" work on relapse prevention worksheets. Meditate daily and begin training your brain in the new language of recovery. Over time compulsive survival behavior will turn in to surrender.  This is a process. You have spent years looking at porn and this new language does not become fluent over night...it must be practiced over and over.

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« Reply #4 on: March 15, 2010, 04:19:09 pm »

Thanks for the response guys, Akdia and IGC especially for your particularly qualified comments. IGCMod, no actually I'm not shocked, it makes perfect sense. Yes, it's true, the whole hatred/detesting feeling is an unrealistic expectation and for that reason it's no coincidence that it's most intense after a particularly bad bout of viewing. It reminds me of the idea that the opposite of love is not hate but indifference, there's actually a very thin line between love and hate, but if you can come to an acceptance of something to the point where you don't feel any great intensity of emotion toward it, then it won't have such a hold on you, and I think that's what's involved in this surrendering idea. Thank you for help, already I'm a bit more clear on this now.
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« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2010, 07:49:53 am »

Willpower,
I don't know if you are aware of it, but InnerGold has a blog/podcast that you can listen to at http://helpforpornaddicts.com. There is a lot of useful information there and you can sign up via iTunes to listen on an ipod or mp3 player.

Just wanted to make you aware of it! I personally think, "The more help a person can get, the better."
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« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2010, 08:20:48 pm »

WillPower, it sounds like you and I have the same cycle.

I remember using this same line of thinking when I was still fully engaged in porn and hadn't received help yet. There were a few times where I thought "I'm going to look at so much porn that I'll be so sick from it that I'll never have the desire to look at it again!" It wasn't until I had gotten help to understand what was really going on that I realized that this was just my addict finding a great way to justify acting out.

After being on the road to recovery, from time to time I find myself falling into the same trap you described of thinking "it's not that bad. It doesn't really affect me any more anyway." When I look back on it, the times that happens is when I've let my guard down; I've stopped doing my Dailies to keep my mind in the right place. Like IGC Mod said, it is a process. I sometimes short-change it and think that I'll be fine after just a few months of sobriety, but my addict is smarter than that (and it sounds like yours is, too). I've resigned myself to realize that this is going to be a lifelong process for me. And I'm ok with that, because I don't want the alternative.
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« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2010, 05:09:45 pm »

DP256, I really like your comments!

There is power in daily repetition. Doing dailies, meditation, exercise, prayer etc... These are the things that over time will strengthen the frontal cortex.

SURRENDER is exactly what you described as "I've resigned myself to realize that this is going to be a lifelong process for me. And I'm ok with that, because I don't want the alternative."

See my post entitled. "THE CLIFF"

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« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2010, 10:08:43 am »

i found that if i keep my thoughts focused on other things, i don't have the desire to slip. if i try to focus on hating porn or fighting it, i am still keeping it at the forefront of my mind... not good!
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